Let me give the average player a hint about climbing:

Bronze - Plat and sometimes up till masters, it's mostly a matter of players being at the rank from a random mixture of mechanics, awareness and game knowledge.

Players in these ranks actually have no clue WHY they win or WHY they lose so most of their games are out of their conscious control.

That's why they can't carry or understand anything. If I were to ask them why they lost their last game they say arbitrary things like:

My positioning was bad

We had a bad comp

We didn't have enough sustain heals

Everyone kept peaking the widow

Nobody was cart

We used all of our ults

We had a thrower

The enemy had a smurf

No Comms

I have bad aim

Etc. etc.

None of these are actual reasons which gives us any information. If you want to climb higher, you actually have to start learning the game and understand what makes a win in overwatch and what part of it are you contributing. You have to understand what your role excels at and what fundamentals of winning in overwatch are. And also when it's okay to cheat the rules to make a play. If you ask a person who understands these things why they lost a game of overwatch they'd answer more like:

I sit main too long and don't take angles

My DPS uptime is too low and I move around too much

I heal too much

My timing is bad and I fail at surprising the enemies

I don't set up before fights start

I often forget to use my cooldowns

I don't shoot back while running away

Etc. etc.

Spotting these types of mistakes is out of question for the average player most of the time. Fixing them is even harder. When I was new, I took several years to make it to diamond from just playtime. Eventually I got a regular coach who helped me understand and reached GM in a few months.

So ELO hell is real. For the average player. Because the average player has no guide or map to navigate learning the game. And so they are bound to be hardstuck forever unless there's a massive shift in paradigm. The small bits of experiential climbing only happens because they play so long that at some point their mechanics help them outplay bad situations or they subconsciously learn things like not to peak the widow.

But the fundamental mistakes don't go away. The game is designed to keep you in low ranks until you learn how to play. But it also never gives you the tools to learn it. And people that have learnt overwatch and can finally start playing on skill and outplays and mechanics and comps etc. are usually starting at the GM level on average. GM is actually the rank where you understand how overwatch is even played.

A good analogy is of chess. A GM in overwatch is someone who knows how all the pieces move and can start applying strategies and opening moves. A metal rank player is an infant who will randomly chuck pieces here and there with no clue that the game he's playing is chess to begin with.

I say this not to offend anyone, but to let the next new or hardstuck player know, that to me, a hardstuck diamond for 7 years and a recent top 500/GM player, my journey has brought me the realisation that the game didn't even make any sense to me until now. All this time gone and only now can I see the bigger picture or the board. I can look at a game of overwatch and see how things are supposed to play out beyond just words that I've heard YouTubers and streamers use like poke phase, pre fight, dive, brawl, peeling, rotations etc.

All these words mean nothing and tell nothing. Understanding the game is a different experience and it is a little humbling and a little bit haunting that it took me this long to even start to play they game. And I can only imagine how long the actual climb is after this to the point of being pro or rank 1. I've just learnt how to play chess at my GM rank. And the peak of this game is learning to play like Magnus Carlsen. And that's insane. No streamer, youtuber, pro player or coach will ever tell you this truth because it's bad for their business. But it's actually so insane how hard competitive games are these days.

Is there any possibility that the Thunder Doomfist skin is ever coming back? I've only started playing OW since a few months ago and I really want the Thunder skin, but I've heard it was tied to Overwatch League which isn't around anymore. But considering there are currently OWL skins in the shop right now, does that means there is a possibility that Doomfist Thunder could return? especially after the Mythic was underwhelming, I really want a good skin I can run on my main.

Hello. he's been semi consistently into OW2 and has been on it more often recently. (actually he took a break because OW banned him 1month for something they suspiciously didn't say what for/no details)

anyway bday is coming up, i think he would this. he plays competitive and is in Gold, seems to like dps alot and genji/doomfist/zen/anna

would be cool if we could set up more than one session, or a video review. doesn't have to be live, and honestly live might not be the best because hey you don't have time to digest things.

anyway i've never shopped for coaching before, need help. last post i found was 2 years old note: i play with him sometimes, im placed in the same rank

So I’m looking for some help with my DPS play. Currently I’m a full division below my Tank rank (Plat 3) and Support rank (Plat 1)

I’m struggling to find ways to have enough impact to win my games. I’m trying to take angles and make plays, especially when on my main (Venture). I feel like I’m either having an impact with kills and not getting value. Or just not having any value at all and playing spectator.

The Paraiso game I feel I could have done more. But was working on positioning.

The Oasis game, I feel like I had a good round then just got shut down.

The last game my team did all the work whilst I did very little and had people coming to spawn to get a kill on me.

Thanks. Please enjoy.

Side note: I’m aware I have awful aim and game sense already and feel as though I deserve a lower rank.

Maps: Paraiso, Oasis, Colosseo

Battletag: Slanderous

Heroes: Venture, Freja, Echo

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I’m a pretty new plat 3 DPS player, and have been trying to find out which hero’s I like to play. I have really solid aim, so I naturally enjoy hitscans, especially Widow and Sojourn. To have some more variety, I’ve also been enjoying Venture and Sombra recently. Which one I choose is of course based off the comp, map and team side. I’d like to know they’re viable get up in the ranks with, or if I should change the pool. Thanks in advance